Bound to your ex through commitment and events

For my current series, I talked to author and marriage and family therapist, Judy Osborne about her book, Wisdom for Separated Parents. The book is a collection of stories from divorced parents, about how they’ve stayed connected over the years and seeks to create a new model for families after divorce, a model on continuing kinship. In my interview with Judy, I asked her what it took for former spouses to stay connected. Here’s Judy:

I think it has to be a very deep intention. Some people have that commitment right from the beginning and some people find it later, like one couple whose story is in the book. They had a rather chilly relationship as the boys went through adolescence and into adulthood, but then one of their three boys had a very serious accident. He was in his late 20′s I think, at that time, and the woman just assumed she would be slogging through this by herself. Then lo and behold her kids’ father showed up with his new wife and the new children and everybody pitched in. From that point on, the original parents had quite a different understanding of their connection with each other.

It can happen at any point. It sometimes happens for people when they have a grandchild and they’re looking across a crib at this person who used to be looking across at them over their child and see this connection in vivo sort of. Some people get it after long, long, long, long struggles and custody cases and struggles over support and one or the other of them just decides,

“It’s not worth it anymore. I’m going to see this person as somebody who’s going to be in my life forever and I’m going to do my part to not continue the fight,”

because the fight hurts everybody, really.

I do believe there’s something to do with time elapsing but it also has to do with events that sort of catapult you into these awarenesses. It’s happening, sadly, in war today. This is the first war in which there are more divorced families than ever— congress had to change in 2006 the rules of people entering the military and they had to designate a person as the responsible person should they be killed in action because the assumption before that was it was the older parent, which usually meant the man and they can’t make that assumption anymore. There was a lovely piece in The Boston Globe several years ago about parents coming back together and understanding that they were grieving together and they just set down the battle.

It doesn’t mean a cozy relationship and it doesn’t mean a daily relationship. It just means a recognition that once you have kids together, however you look at it, you’re connected for life through the children.

I don’t think there’s a magic formula for creating that lasting connection with your ex. Some people never get there. I think reading about the possibilities does help us to see that relationships with exs don’t have to follow the hostile, broken family model. With a model of on-going kinship, connectedness can become more of a conscious desire rather than organically evolving.  It isn’t likely to be the day-to-day events in your adult child’s life that foster kinship but rather milestone events which aren’t limited to the sad, devastating occasions Judy mentions above.   What I don’t know is how you get that connectedness if it’s something you want but your ex remains hostile. Does it take a truly gut-wrenching event to let the conflict go? Thoughts?

This past weekend I heard from two friends who are both embroiled in what seem to be very angry, parenting arrangements. This was the first time I’d spoken to them about their divorces. As they each shared some of the details, it was clear to me how damaging the parents’ fighting was to their children. I wondered if they’d thought about what it would be like when they were grandparents or attending college graduation or their child’s wedding. I wondered if it would help them in their current struggles if they could picture the future and then look backwards to see what they could do today, to secure that future?  Would it change their behavior? Oh, for a crystal ball.

Giveaway

Judy has generously offered to giveaway a copy of her book, Wisdom for Separated Parents and here’s how to enter:

1. COMMENT: Leave a meaningful comment on any/all of the posts in this series on Judy before midnight (MST) on Thursday August 18, 2011. By meaningful, I mean some observation about her story or how you relate to it, for example.

2. SUBSCRIBE: Subscribe to the Since My Divorce RSS or Since My Divorce email and leave a comment saying you subscribe. If you’re an existing subscriber, you’ll still need to leave a comment stating that you’re a subscriber.

3. TWITTER: Follow Since My Divorce on Twitter and leave a comment saying you do.

4. FACEBOOK: Like Since My Divorce on Facebook and leave a comment saying you do.

I’ll use random.org to select the winner. Winner must respond within 48 hours to the request for the mailing address or another winner will be selected. The mailing address must be within the U.S.

Next Post » »
  • http://www.farfromflawlesslife.blogspot.com Missy June

    Quote: “It doesn’t mean a cozy relationship and it doesn’t mean a daily relationship. It just means a recognition that once you have kids together, however you look at it, you’re connected for life through the children.”

    We have had genuinely hostile moments and we certainly don’t have daily closeness.  But as long as I want to be close with my children, I have to accept him.  They love him and he is part of them. 

    • Anonymous

      I think your approach will make post-divorce life for your children much easier. It isn’t easy but eliminating unwarranted stress from your children’s lives is absolutely worth it.

  • http://twitter.com/only_connect_ only_connect_

    I don’t fight with my ex, or speak badly of him to the children. I accept that he will be present at some children’s activities; my coping strategy is to keep my distance. Since he left, we are not on speaking terms, and I can’t see that changing in the future. I can’t form a relationship without trust, and all the trust I once had in my husband vanished when I discovered his lying and betrayal. I no longer respect him, and I certainly don’t know who he is anymore. Maybe I was deceived about his character all along.

    If there is something important he or I need to communicate regarding the children, a brief, neutral email is the order of the day. That’s it.

    If, heaven forbid, something were to happen to one of our children, I would prefer to cope on my own. He rejected my love, support, and devotion and has been nothing but callous and uncaring ever since. Having to interact with him would just add to my pain.

    • Anonymous

      @only-connect I can understand how the absence of trust essentially wipes out any desire for kinship. Some of the people Judy interviewed for her book told similar stories but found that their relationships did indeed change. It doesn’t happen for everyone. You don’t mention how long you’ve been divorced or how old your children are, both of which are factors in extended kinship.

  • Being Me

    I see this as impossible trying to ‘get that connectedness if it’s
    something
    you want but your ex remains hostile’. The hostility has been there for
    so long way before the divorce actually took place, the ex creates the
    chasm and decides when he feels like communicating .. but now that is
    not remotely going to happen.

    Everything goes through the lawyers at the moment. If the ex is a
    reasonable person it could work via email but then the ex is not
    reasonable.

    I can make it easier for the kids, lessen the tensions, and play down my
    anger in front of them. But at the same time I cannot allow myself to
    be giving in to him when he chooses to be unreasonable. So the law has
    to be clearly defined for all of us so we the weaker ones do not get
    bullied.
    There is no conflict or issue, it is a continuing hatred,and jealousy
    and righteousness that drives the ex.. how does one attempt to connect
    with that when there was no hope before this.

    There is no changing him, so I must attempt to contain the hurt and anxieties of the kids as best as I can.

    This is good, it helps me think forward.

    • Anonymous

      @Being Me – I completely agree that you cannot allow yourself to give in to unreasonable requests. And if one party is litigious and has a lawyer who is willing to take that path, it ties the other party’s hands. Are there any techniques you’ve found helpful in stopping issues from escalating?

      • Being Me

        Mine is a unique situation I’m told that the ex insists on staying under the same roof eventhough we are officially divorced but the ancililiaries and care/control of kids issue is not finalised. The environment is a hostile one.

        So for now, it’s leaving the kids the choice to do or not do something with me, and at the same time letting them know that whatever they decide is fine with me. The only thing to do is ease their stress. When they get tensed I get stressed.
        I give them the details of where and when in advance. The kids have a sense of fair play and yet in a couple of instances the ex has not given them the choice and they were stressed by it. Despite speaking up, he  overrides their voices as if they have not spoken. Afraid or pressured is what they feel. And when they return, I have to reassure them, I’m not mad with them, they should not feel guilt or be defensive, (afterall the conflict is caused by the ex which I don’t say out loud) and there’s not to be done until the law settles it.

        • Anonymous

          @Being Me – Still sharing the same roof as your ex must be extremely stressful for you, along with being the one that calms the troubled waters.How long has this being going on? Is there no way you can force him to move out? Have you considered moving? Does he agree he’ll move out based on some conditions? Seriously, this cannot be healthy for anyone.

          Kudos to you for not making your parenting time issues your children’s issue. It is so stressful for children when they feel they can’t/shouldn’t be with one parent because it’s going to cause conflict. Your ex is probably alienating his kids and they will want to spend less and less time with him. Unfortunately, it will only get worse, the more insistent your ex gets. My heart goes out to you.

          • Being Me

            The solution is easy but the consequences of that now are way complicated and will add more stress for the kids.  In spite of knowing what they want, they are in the middle.
            -BM

            We have to wait it out and I hope it will not be too long more.

          • Anonymous

            Can you share what the solution is?

            I hope it works out for you and soon.

  • Anonymous

    This was my biggest concern when The Ex and I separated. I made him promise me it’d always be he & I working toward taking care of the kids–no matter what. If we hated each other the kids would never know it. If we didn’t agree…the kids would never know it. We’d handle it. No matter who came into our lives. I include his new wife and my husband in things, but when a final decision has to be made it’s made between him and I. I know I’ll be sitting next to him at graduation, at their weddings, at the births of our grandchildren. I saw it with my parents, too, who divorced when I was 18. Choose carefully who you have a child with…forever they’ll be in your life. For better or worse. Might as well make it better :)

    • Anonymous

      @soccermom434 – I know from your blog how much effort you put into making this work and I think you are fortunate in having an ex who seems equally committed.

      Trouble is, when you’re in the stage of choosing a husband, your mind is very set on the path of looking at how everything will turn out assuming your love is constant; you’re not in the mindset of thinking through the what-ifs should the marriage end.